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« on: July 08, 2011, 11:38:55 PM »

Ok, so I searched the site for some information on this subject and couldn't find anything.

I have a Fiesta Vee and need to replace the Sea Water Impeller.  It's a closed cooling system but still has the sea water pump that runs water to the heat exchanger.

This is the second repair that has to be made on this boat and every time I have to get it worked on, the engine had to be removed because the engine compartment is very cramped and to get to the front of the engine to change items like the sea water pump impeller, even change the serpentine belt, requires the motor to be pulled (according to the mechanic). 

So, I took it to the mechanic and to replace a $30 impeller, it will cost just over $2,000 in labor and parts.

Has anyone else experienced this issue?  I have seen very little in the way of people having issues with the engine compartment on this boat.  Is my mechanic pulling my leg and there are other ways to get to the front of the engine without having to pull the engine and having a $2K bill every year to replace the impeller?

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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2011, 08:19:10 AM »

I see you live in FWB. Who are you taking the boat to?
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2011, 08:24:56 AM »

2K is way too much.  That is a 6hr job in our shop @ $75 hr.  This is of course the boat being out of the water.  On units like these I always install a neopreme impellor rather than the original rubber type,  The just last much longer.$54 per impellor.  Good luck  Al
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2011, 09:13:19 AM »

I see you live in FWB. Who are you taking the boat to?

I'm taking it to ABC Marine in Valparaiso.  It's a small shop that charges as much as Legendary Marine!  I'm hoping to find someone else who can get it done without having to pull the engine or I'm going to try to give it a shot at doing it myself. 

Any other 250 FV owners out there have the same problem?
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2011, 07:37:07 PM »

Yes, the 250 engine compartment is VERY cramped. However I had the belt, alternator and power steering pump replaced without pulling the engine. I keep a large hand held mirror in the engine compartment to keep an eye on the front of the engine. For other major work it is likely the engine will have to come out.

One word of advice, put TWO high quality hose clamps on each raw water pump hose. The solid type, not the perforated ones. I only had one OEM one each and it corroded through. The hose popped off out at sea and it resulted in a tow from the Harbor Patrol and a lot of seawater in the bilge.

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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2011, 09:14:26 PM »

Hi

Yep no one wants to do this job in the boat! It is much easier when the engine is on a stand! Beside you have plenty of money if you have a boat! devilish Just pay the big bucks!

However .....

It can be done without pulling the engine! You need the correct tools and you better be a skinny dude! You are going to have to remove the engine hatch for access and many other engine parts to get to the pump! It can be done in the water if you know what to do and have the correct fittings and hose! The trick with the hoses is to have a 2 foot piece of hose with a bared fitting once you loosen the hose to the sea water pump the water is going to come in! Not to worry about a few gallons of water fit the 2 foot hose with the barbed end into the hose you disconnected, raise the other end above the water line of the boat, presto the water stops coming in! As long as the open end is above the water line of the boat, no water can come in! Be prepared to do the same for the other line! Now you are going to have to remove a bunch of stuff off the engine to get to the raw water pump!

It helps to have all the correct tools flex joints and extensions are what you need several different lengths and several flex joints will make the job easier! If you can find one, a 3/8 drive flex cable drive about 20" long makes the job easier! Don't forget about a magnet on a flexible 3 foot handle to fish out the bolts you are going to drop in the bilge under the engine!

You will need a mirror as said or a small camera and a monitor! I use a small IR camera on a threaded rod wired to a 20" flat screen to see! My camera is only a 1" in diameter and 2" long mounted on a 3 foot 1/4" steel threaded rod! This allows me to set the camera in place and have my hands free! The base is a magnetic machinist base for dial indicator, since it is magnetic I just attach it to something metal and set the camera up! Sounds like allot but I had this stuff just laying around!

Now you are going to completely remove the pump as you will not be able to remove the impeller any other way! Once you get the pump in your lap it is easy! First when you take the pump apart do it in a well lite area on a table! Once you get the pump open look at the old impeller note the direction of the bent blades as the new one needs to bend in the same direction! As AL said go for the neopreme impeller they last longer and wear better, they do cost more! Now when you get the old impeller out check to see if you can find all the pieces any missing pieces need to be looked for as they can plug up small water passages that can cause the engine to over heat! Put some grease on the new impeller and inside the housing! Take the new impeller and push and twist it at the same time in the direction so the blades are bent in the same direction as the old one! Clean off any mating surfaces and replace the seals! Be careful when tightening the screws back up as they break easy and you will not have a good seal! Remember the impeller type pump is what is called a positive displacement pump! What goes in must come out it needs water to stay cool but it is just as happy to pump air until it melts! A proper seal is required!

Now just put the pump back on the engine attach the hoses check for leaks! No leaks put every thing back together the way it came apart! Your ready to go!

Now the one thing I can not say enough, if you are a husky dude, this job is going to almost impossible! You are going to spent allot of time with your head lower than your butt!

It does help if you got a skinny 12 year old boy to help out or borrow one from your neighbor! $50 goes along way for a kid! Cheaper than $2000 and pulling the boat out of the water!

Good luck!

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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2011, 09:44:48 PM »

Mike...that was awesome. Great info!  clapping

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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2011, 09:45:48 PM »

WOW!!!

And you need to do this how often?

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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2011, 11:07:08 PM »

Hi OSead

YEP!!! You said a mouthful!!! Depends on your usage drive the boat onto the beach or sand bar once a year or sooner! BE careful stay in clear water, use the neoprene impeller and keep things clean, every third or forth year!

Being one of those guys that like to work on boats I always look carefully at the engine space for accessibility!

Guess I shouldn't be telling all the tricks!

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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2011, 10:24:55 AM »

Wish I knew you before purchasing this XDP money pit that was supposed to be for fun family !!! 

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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2011, 10:59:56 AM »

Hi Osead -

Well I will take that as a complement! cool I have been here for many years since 2005 you just need to ask the right questions!

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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2011, 11:18:08 AM »

Hi Osead -

Well I will take that as a complement! cool I have been here for many years since 2005 you just need to ask the right questions!

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Mike, I am fairly husky so I probably won't be accessing the front of the boat.  I do however, have a 14 year old skinny teenage son  that is just looking for ways to make some cash so I think that's the way to go.

I'd rather do the repairs myself first and then find if I can't do it, at least I tried.

The boat is on a trailer right now.  It has a closed cooling system so I have to drain the coolant, sea water, and remove the heat exchanger and then take the belt off and I think I can get to the pump. 

The mechanic that looked at this was very helpful, although very expensive and not willing to do it without pulling the engine. 

At least I know it can be done.  It's going to take some effort though and in the Florida heat, lots of gatorade!

Thanks for all who had inputs.  They are all very helpful.  Any more inputs is much appreciated. thumbsup
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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2011, 12:20:19 PM »

Merwin10,

Mike, totally meant as an extraordinary compliment!
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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2011, 03:17:35 PM »

Hi Stavidin -

Your in luck then the 14 YO will be a great asset! If the mechanic is fairly big dude you can see why he wants to pull the engine and get in the cool shop to work on it! Still $2000 is a bit much! Besides you and you son will be learning about your boat, that is something you can not buy!

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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2011, 07:32:19 PM »

Hi Stavidin -

Your in luck then the 14 YO will be a great asset! If the mechanic is fairly big dude you can see why he wants to pull the engine and get in the cool shop to work on it! Still $2000 is a bit much! Besides you and you son will be learning about your boat, that is something you can not buy!

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True!  Thanks for the info Mike, well received!

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